On October 23, the Fraser Valley branch of the infamous “Creep Catchers” posted a video online about ME (if you can imagine) that was both highly inflammatory and frankly, almost totally ridiculous.
The accusations made against me were completely unproven in the video that was posted, some information was a complete lie, and some information was left out to make the picture look better for them – they are after all looking for viewers/month for their YouTube channel, and sensationalism and sex sells. If only this story had some of either…
UPDATE: October 15 – YouTube removed this video from their site for violating privacy.
UPDATE: November 10 – DailyMotion has removed the video from their site
UPDATE: November 12 – YouTube is again petitioned to remove the video from their site.
UPDATE: February 5 -Looks like the asshole created at least 3 more YouTube accounts and posted my video in each one. Not a new video either, of course – the same factless science fiction as before. I’m currently reviewing some new legal angles offered by YouTube as advice. He was also stupid enough to state on wn.com (which looks, ironically, like a fake news site):
So now we have the same narrative – that I knew all along it was them? Then the rest of this makes no sense – I never thought any kids were involved, and I played him for this story, though it wasn’t three times as I say below. He’s just admitted to knowing that.
He also posted this video like it was some new event in January. Man he’s pathetic. And a grand total of 58 views of the video. Good job! meanwhile I’ve had over 5,000 views of this article!
Still waiting for the dick head to actually offer proof, and for the police to come by (that’s never gonna happen, now 4 months later – again they were here once at my request and told me there’s nothing here. That same night, he took off before the cops came – who did he know was WRONG in that situation?)
My dealings with “Creep Catchers” (a band of vigilantes with likely good hearts, but very wrong methodologies at times) began several weeks before this current story – back to May 8, 2013, when I posted this review online of Central City Mall in Surrey. I since had edited it to update the information, after Target left the mall, along with Futureshop, and WalMart was welcomed.
Update: Some Creepy supporters tried to argue that, because I mentioned stores in the mall that didn’t exist in May 2013, the whole thing must be a sham. Yes, I posted a review on the Facebook site, was able to auto-backdate 3 years ago, and have them host it, all without them knowing and taking it down. Aren’t I brilliant – or perhaps, if you believe that, you are just STUPID:
(UPDATE: On November 12, I was forced to remove this review altogether from the Central City site. I was sick of all the drooling breeders and Neanderthals posting idiotic comments – it’s amazing to me how some people can be given all the facts to show that this situation was a lie, and still believe it’s true – apparently 5-time convicted criminals’ word still holds water in Surrey – the thug capital of the nation
Regardless, this review doesn’t change the fact that on September 4, 2016 – just 15 days before the Creep Catchers first stated I had made an “attempt” to lure kids, I posted this comment about Creep Catchers on Facebook, and here’s the link.
I had never even heard of “Creep Catchers” before – until September 3, 2016, when I started to see people commenting on my review like this. I think it showcases the kind of mindset we see with some of the avid followers of “Creep Catcher”:
The mall “supports pedophiles” apparently. I really hope they legally went after some of these idiots, who think that because they post a comment online, it has no legal repercussions. I couldn’t believe it.
Does anyone have a brain in Surrey, I thought? Then it dawned on me that actual pedophiles would be very interested to read this information – they’d be marking it off on their tourist places to visit. So I sarcastically thanked this nimrod for pointing that out to all the sickos in Greater Vancouver.
Which was stupid, because it started a flurry of posts on Facebook, accusing me of being a pedophile, just because I didn’t oppose the ban on Ryan Laforge. Sounds like a pattern with these people – they find pedophiles apparently behind every tree.
I didn’t know who Ryan Laforge was, and I most certainly didn’t support pedophilia, nor am I a pedophile as they liked to say at that time. I finally deleted my reply comment that caused the whole furor in the first place, and it died out. One other comment I saw during that time:
We’re glad, Jarron Veach, that clearly mentally-unstable individuals such as yourself are not shopping at Central City now. The fact you could see pedophiles lurking kinda makes me wonder if you aren’t one yourself. (See how easy that is to do)
Yes, apparently “children’s pants half off” to this guy was some kind of sexual message to the children of the city, who by the way don’t buy their own clothes, their parents do, and kids aren’t standing around reading signs in stores regardless. I’m also guessing that the store sign didn’t actually say this at all.
After a whole day of reading these kind of moronic comments, accusing me and the Mall of being pedo-friendly, I’d had enough, and I wrote this posting on the Surrey Creep Catchers Facebook and also similar comments on other Creep Catcher sites:
Yah I was being melodramatic, and I did get someone from the Edmonton branch trying to call me at one point, though not sure exactly what he was going to do about it. There was a message exchange online between him and this Ryan Laforge about the situation – neither of them particularly cared that their followers were accusing everyone in sight of being a pedophile, just for writing a review of a mall several years ago.
Made me think that the mall probably had the right idea. This Laforge guy sounded like a bit of a tool.
I should stop right there and say that I didn’t actually think Ryan Laforge was a tool then – but I sure as hell do now. In fact, I think if the methods and motives were completely in sync, I could see why so many people might think of him as a hero. The crime rate in Surrey was just growing insane this past year, with over 50 shootings and the year’s not even over year.
Apparently there was some rash of child abusers that I wasn’t aware of, that he took a keen interest in. I don’t know the man’s story, so I don’t know if he had been a victim himself or not. If he had, I totally understand why he does what he does. And he’s had some measure of success. But not sure I feel comfortable with someone broken by child abuse running around as a vigilante against abusers.
And he’s had at least two high-profile disasters PR wise in the last few months, and I believe mine being a third. Here’s the first two:
I thought, wow, that’s a bit ridiculous to name someone that you have no proof of. Yah, I was about to discover how ridiculous. This guy was clearly not making any friends with Surrey RCMP either, which I discovered later was also truer than I realized at the time.
On October 10, another story came out that again showed how completely untrained and dangerous these people had become:
What the hell, why are these people allowed to continue doing what they are doing? They are completely reckless, I thought, and the media should stop encouraging them in this nonsense.
And more importantly, the Surrey RCMP are not amused. Now, one might say that’s because one of their own was caught in a sting with these people – but the reality is, I’m sure they get numerous calls about them, and very few of their activities ever go to trial. It’s just a lot of report writing for nothing. And how did this guy get away with naming now several people and not have at least a Civil Claim against him after? It can be extremely damaging to be fingered on his site, as it’s popular and each video can get 10,000-30,000 views or more. It’s like throwing feathers to the wind once unleashed, you can never reach them all with the truth, and most don’t want to hear it anyway.
But regardless, they vow to continue on no matter who they hurt or why. It’s just collateral damage for these attention seekers – Laforge being in the media all the time with some story or other – though not are all positive.
Yes, I agree with Laforge’s comment under his photo above – the police aren’t doing what they are doing. Because the police must maintain some ethics and abiding by the law. Apparently these guys can just slash someone’s reputation, whether right or wrong, and just keep going – like a bull in a china shop. Only the bull owner never gets the bill – and we all have to deal with the bull shit.
And I would debate the fact that he has a “huge support” in our city. Sure, he has about 1,900 subscribers for the Surrey branch (which seems to default to Ryan Laforge’s account now – they must have been suspended?) and 1,300 for the Fraser Valley branch (which opened this year, possibly to share the liability) on YouTube, but that’s not a huge number considering Surrey alone has 400,000 residents or more.
I have almost as many Twitter followers as that with both branches put together, and nearly 2,000 more than that on this blog. But I freely admit that his 500,000+ combined views is no small matter – obviously some people many many times. And clearly should be a money maker for him as well – perhaps that’s now the point. But I digress.
I thought it would make a great story for the blog if I was able to actually watch how they do their hunt, or their process – anything that I might think our readers would want to see/hear. What a dumb idea that was.
The “FIRST ATTEMPT”
On September 13, 2016 I was chatting online with a few friends when I started a conversation with a guy that said he was 18 online. It quickly turned out that the guy was 12, and he was out on the street late at night – his mom away from home and he didn’t seem to know what to do with himself. I couldn’t believe it – I knew right away that this had to be Creep Catchers. Throughout the conversation, I even dropped little hints stating that. Unbelievably, they actually published two of those statements in the video they produced – not sure how they thought that was incriminating against me? It made it sound more like I was ONTO THEM the entire team.
What did piss me off about the video was this story about smoking meth with the kid. I didn’t discuss sex or drugs with him, and I consider that entire part of the conversation to be a fake. As you can’t see the time stamp on the chats, one can’t even verify what day they took place. However, I can say that the video wasn’t produced until about 3 days after we last encountered them, which I found very interesting, considering they did some “live” broadcasts online.
When I went to meet them, I laughed as I approached Gateway Skytrain station that night – a rather large man was flailing his arms around about something, like he was cranked. Perhaps not, just looked like it. As I got near the place where I was supposed to meet the young guy, I took him by surprise, as I wasn’t wearing what I said I was going to, and I gave them a false name of Timothy (my middle name). However, I wasn’t really thinking and was chatting with him on my cell – and that’s how they discovered my real name, blog name, etc.
They thought they had a major coup and promoted on their video that they “caught” a Conservative Christian blogger with 7,000 followers. Except I kept telling them again and again that in fact, it was I that had caught them. Like I believed someone who was 12 would pretend he was 18, to chat on an adult-only dating site.
Here’s the photos they provided too – doesn’t look like an 18 or a 12 year old. LOL So I knew right away what was going on and thought I would say some leading comments all along the chat, just to ensure that after, they had nothing.
As you’ll see from this video, which shows the entire conversation after I met them, I had them duped all along but they didn’t seem to get it. Kept talking like I thought I was meeting a 12 year old.
When I saw how honking huge Ryan Laforge was, and how cranked he and his very odd friend with a hoverboard looked, I wasn’t about to let them catch and mug me. Here’s a photo of what Laforge looks like, so you can see for yourself what a 6′, 150 lb. guy would think when introduced to a maybe 6’3, nearly 300 lb. guy in the dark.
Of course I expected, and I got, plenty of threats at the time that “I was dun” as they always say to their captives, and that the police were called, etc. I’m still waiting for the police to show up over that incident, and that was about 6 weeks ago.
When they said they had talked to my building manager, however, I laughed out loud – seriously, how stupid do you think people ARE out there? They wouldn’t have learned where I even lived, and I later confirmed with the landlord that no one had talked to him about me.
They also had some strange reference to letting “Mayor Clark” know – I still have no idea who that is, as I live in Surrey, and that isn’t her name? And if they wanted to let Premier Christy Clark know, they could feel free – she doesn’t know a thing about me. It was a very odd comment.
Since September 13, I have been visited by ZERO police officers. That was
44 60 days ago today (from this update on November 12). Even though this video seems to purport that they had me, they had my phone number, they had an address I provided and my name, and they said in the video that they had a chat log showing me talking about sharing meth with a kid, clearly they either didn’t produce that to the police, or the police looked at it, as sane humans would, and said “yah, this is bullshit” and left it.
I know the Creeps were furious about that, however. Because I didn’t “deal with them” (whatever that meant) I was gonna “burn in hell”. Yah, sorry, but that’s not really your decision to make now, is it Ryan Laforge?
At the end of it all, the video states that I “got away” – even though they made out they even knew what apartment building I lived in, because they had talked to the manager? Even though they said they had video proving I showed up, they didn’t. And they still had nothing on me anyway, as the whole purpose of it was to sweep them out so I could see who they were and what they were about. I actually had planned to introduce myself to them and tell them that I was writing an article about their process – what goes into being a Creep Chaser.
However, when I saw how clearly cranked they both looked, and how they menacingly half-chased me down the street, threatening as they went, I thought that was a good time to get the hell out of the area. I’ve since seen the younger of the two at the same Gateway Station, standing on the hoverboard that clearly shows his immaturity. He also looks like he’s 30, so they might wanna re-think the 12 year old decoy they portray him to be (again, how stupid do they think people are)?
The “SECOND ATTEMPT”?
They state in the video that I promised some 14 year old a night of sex, and then “bailed”. Wow, there’s decisive proof. No date mentioned for this nonsensical story, no chat logs, no videos to back that up. I DEMAND TO SEE THOSE CHAT LOGS, AND FEEL FREE TO SHARE THEM WITH THE AUDIENCE. It’ll take them a month to make all that shit up in a conversation I never had.
This right there proved to me that the whole thing was PERSONAL with Ryan Laforge. It also said to me that they would go to any lengths to come up with a story, even when they have offered no proof of it. And their little Creeps (like Lady Gaga’s Monsters) just lap it up.
Laforge was still choked about how much shit I stirred on September 3 about that stupid Central City review, I think, and he couldn’t believe his luck when he “caught me” in his trap. But I ensured I didn’t talk about sex or drugs or rock n roll that night – though I did talk about playing PS3. So cuff me.
The “THIRD ATTEMPT”?
On October 19 at about 10:10 PM, my “second” opportunity to see what they were all about presented itself. By the way, since that time, I’ve counted no less than 4 separate attempts to “bait” me again. Sorry to disappoint, but I kept all those chat logs too, and in every case, I didn’t start the conversation first. They are just bound and determined to try to get me on something.
Now, I admit that neither instance was well thought out on my part, mostly because I didn’t realize how bat-shit crazy these people are. This time, they again introduced me online to a 14 year old kid – who started on his first sentence with some sensational story about how he had been kicked out of his house by his Dad because he was gay. I instantly thought – wow this young guy certainly likes to share an awful lot of detail in the first sentence with a total stranger. BINGO, I knew I had them again.
I really played this one up from the very first sentence. I knew where this was going. They were probably thinking “oh my god, we got him again” LOL. At times, the “kid” sounded almost genuine, but I could quickly tell that his story about being kicked out in the middle of the night (it was about midnight I think when we started talking) was a bit too played up.
Then they added that the parents were “pretty religious” because they figured I would resonate with that. Yah, they played it up just a bit too much. So I started to play back.
I told the “boy” that I would call the police and have them come pick him up and they could figure out the best place for him. No no, he didn’t want to go back home.
Then he started babbling about wandering around outside all of a sudden and I thought, “oh isn’t that a coincidence”. I figured that, if this was a real kid, he can’t be left to just wander around the neighbourhood. And if it was the Creeps, then they would expose themselves pretty fast at my building. I figured I could call my landlord’s son to come downstairs with me and meet the “kid” or whoever it was in the lobby.
My plan of attack this night was to call the cops regardless of who it was, and use the excuse that BC law clearly states, on the BC Government website that I had a responsibility to report to the police, if I felt a kid under 19 was in danger. Pretty hard to do that when the “kid” won’t stay in one spot long enough to be talked to. And if it was the Creeps, the police showing up at the building should unnerve them, especially when they had no evidence from the actual chat to use.
After about 1/2 hour of waiting, suddenly a buzz at the door – and with cell phone in hand, around 12:30 or so AM, I buzzed “him” in and locked up and ran down stairs to meet him in the lobby. Does this seem like the thing you do when you have already buzzed in some booty call to your building? Wouldn’t a person normally let them come up?
However, when I got there, he was gone. I figured he must have gone up the back stairs, and when I went to the stairs, I noticed that the side door was wide open, and carpet was blocking it open. At first it didn’t dawn on me that the Creeps had snuck one through the front door, and he let the others in the side, and then left it wide open for anyone to walk in. There’s a public service for you, as they always jaw on about.
Going up the stairs, there is a window at mid flight that casts a reflection from the top of the stairs, and that’s when I saw there were three of them, and they had something in their hands…
Thinking back to my earlier thoughts when I saw them the first time, I wasn’t prepared for three of them – and then with the side door open it dawned on me – this is a home invasion robbery. Because the police had never come after the first incident, I assumed that was just BS to try to get me to stop – long enough for them to mug me. So you will then see me on the video, yelling like a retard, trying to wake someone up. My stupidity, I had let three thugs into my building without realizing it.
I banged on the landlord’s door and they were still awake just before 1:00 AM, and from the safety of their apartment I called the police to come. They had nothing on me, and this ridiculous invasion in the middle of the night was just over the top, even for them. They made some big talk about how I was “done” yet again, and then Ryan Laforge once again stated that I had run away before but they got me this time.
I was incredulous. You got ME? I INVITED YOU HERE. LOL And again, what had I done wrong – tried to get the kid to stay in one place long enough for me to call the cops, which they clearly weren’t going to have. I also noticed that when he said he was at McDonald’s at 103 Avenue and King George, my chat app said they were 3,500 feet away. McDonald’s is 1.5 miles, so they could have been telling the truth, and was tempted to phone the police anyway to go there, but didn’t want to sound stupid in case they were hiding somewhere else, waiting to come here.
The funny thing about that night – after telling all my neighbours they met, of course, that I was a “pedophile” (and considering we hadn’t talked about sex EVER, was a bit hard to prove on their part), they were firm that they weren’t going anywhere – they were waiting until the police arrived. Except they didn’t. And I didn’t expect them to. The landlord had asked them several times to leave and they were kicking up a fuss and yelling that I was a pedophile in the building. He wasn’t having any of it – the couple knows me well and knows I am not the sort to be bringing little kids back to the building. Something you learn after 6 years here, and my landlord’s son (whom they also met) lived across the hall from me.
My landlord was concerned that they may be the ones that had stolen his electric scooter that week from our lobby, leaving him practically trapped in the building (he can’t walk well for health reason). You’ll note from the above-stated clip from the Creep Catcher Facebook page, they never did deny that.
As he was leaving, you will hear on video the totally classless Ryan Laforge then accusing MY LANDLORD of being a pedophile, because he was kicking these shouting thugs out of his building at 1:00 AM. When you look at the guy, there’s just no way you’d take him at his word, and my landlord wasn’t stupid.
Of course, the real police took their time because of some other emergency, and yet three of them showed up in three separate cars, which I found intriguing. Were they expecting some serious business with these Creep Catchers, as I thought it was a bit of overkill.
I told my side of the story and let one of them read the entire chat log that you see linked above. He took my phone from my hand at one point to ensure he could read it without being interrupted, which I was actually pleased with. He handed the phone back to me and said that I had to understand how bad this could look, and it was stupid to invite them here. I stated that it would also be bad if something happened to this “kid’, should he be real, while he wandered through Crackville in Surrey after midnight, and I was found out to be the last person he chatted with – and I did nothing.
Creep Catchers, for all their bravado on video, were long gone by then. They later told me it was because they had been asked to leave, so their “team stood down”. What bullshit, they had hung around the building for nearly 1/2 hour after arriving. They were scared of being caught there by the police, as the landlord wanted to press charges for breaking/ entering. But he couldn’t as I had buzzed one in, of course. It was my fault.
At any rate, after the police left and said there was no crime here, which I knew all along, I was texting Ryan Laforge online to advise him that once again, his story was nonsense. He then brought up a rather bizarre interpretation of what “luring” means in Canada – according to him, it just means inviting a kid over to your place.
Ummm, no. Thank god that’s not true, or teachers, youth pastors, Big Brothers/Sisters, Boy Scout/Girl Guide leaders, etc. would never be able to reach out to kids, hold events at their homes or other locations with them, etc. I told Ryan Laforge that luring also had include some secondary crime that was intended with the person – sex, drugs or rock n roll.
I guess that’s why they invented this sex story after the fact. It still just didn’t fly then – and it’s now been
7 20 days since they were in the building, and 3 16 days since releasing their “damning non-evidence” evidence video, and yet the police still have not come to my door, still have not issued a warrant for my arrest, and they never will.
Folks you can decide to take Ryan Laforge’s word over mine, though the reactions to the story have been downright retarded. Yes, I am skinny and yes I have a “face for radio” as they say, but they have all made some comments about my LOOKS, which has nothing to do with the crime that this video never once proved I did. Whether a person is ugly or not has nothing to do with their guilt. LOL What stupid morons.
You can see me on video clearly defiant when they attempted to accuse me of being a pedophile, or offering drugs to a minor. It was just nonsensical. In fact, if their story were true, then tell me:
Where’s the rest of the video? Where’s their video evidence that I showed up on the first attempt to meet a 12 year old, as they state? Other than their word over mine, they have shown no evidence. Now, I admitted I went there to see what they looked like and how they did things, but I wasn’t letting them near me for good reason. They looked cranked. Above is a photo of this motley crew from a recent media story. Do you still blame me?
Is it really just a big coincidence that I should be apparently attempted on three times, as they state, after I wrote a nasty message to them on September 4 about their conduct then? Yeah right.
Why is this video all text and little video proof? They are expecting you to just believe the story as written, and most of you have by your comments, even though they are full of shit. Their main site also said that we are “innocent until proven guilty”. Yah right.
Where is the complete chat log that shows their bizarre page pulled out, which was NOT from our chat, showing me talking about drugs and sex with this first kid?
Where is ANY evidence of this supposed second attempt at all?
Why didn’t they stay around for the police to arrive the “third time”?
Why haven’t the police been around at all after any of these times? Didn’t they show a chat log page that I was offering sex and drugs to a 12 year old? What a bunch of B.S. The police haven’t come because they have NOTHING.
Why was Ryan Laforge kicked out of Central City Mall in early September? If he’s so legit, why ban him from the mall? if you really believe a shopping mall is going to publicly be pro-pedophile, you’re a raging idiot.
How come he constantly gets away with naming people who didn’t do the crime? Why doesn’t anyone sue the guy, or why hasn’t he been arrested for naming wrong parties in something so important?
But wait, HE HAS BEEN ARRESTED BEFORE. Long before he started with Creep Catchers, but nonetheless, it seems the Judge and Jury faced one himself – 5 times before, in fact.
Don’t take my word for it. View this video evidence for yourself. I’m also going to simply publish all of the criminal record information for you to view yourself. Then ask yourself – is his word always to be trusted? When he says he did something, or someone else did something, can we always trust that? Or maybe, just maybe, is there a bit more of a sinister motivation here? Is he attempting to make the police look bad, to make up for the 5 times he was arrested and convicted of various crimes, including drug possession for the purpose of trafficking?
Or perhaps, is he so desperate to make amends for his past, that the pendulum has swung too far the other way? He doesn’t really think he can call me a pedophile in public, and I would just sit on my hands with this publicly accessible information that the media has never bothered to report on? You don’t really think I’ll let him get away with calling me a drug user with zero evidence, when he’s a former convicted drug dealer?
AND A FINAL WORD
To all those who threatened to have me beheaded, castrated and a host of other idiotic things – if and when I decide to seek legal remedy in Court over this situation, and that’s a very good possibility if this GOD DAMN VIDEO is not taken down immediately – I will be also sure to add those of you who threatened my life to the list of Defendants in the Notice of Civil Claim. Uttering death threats is a violation of the Criminal Code of Canada, and those of you who think yourselves judge and jury would be best to recognize that.
As is attacking me for no good reason in public or private.
You can look up Ryan or his crew if that is to happen – I’ve said my peace in over 5,200 words. If you still can’t believe it, then there’s truly no cure for stupid.
Next time, before you bet on the horse, make sure you’re even at the right race track.